The subject of Danièle Huillet and Jean-Marie Straub’s Der Tod des Empedokles (The Death of Empedocles, 1987) is the Greek pre-Socratic philosopher Empedocles (c. 490 BC – 430 BC), who lived in the Greek colony of Agrigentum in Sicily. His theories are mentioned in several of Plato’s dialogues. He maintained that all matter is made up of four irreducible elements: water, earth, air and fire. A mystic and a poet, he is considered to be the founder of classical rhetoric. He is also thought to be the last Greek philosopher to write in verse; two fragments of his works survive: Katharmoi (Purifications) and Peri Phuseôs (On Nature). An advocate of democracy, he came into conflict with his fellow citizens of Agrigentum and, as result, was banished with his young disciple, Pausanius. When he was asked to return, he preferred to commit suicide by throwing himself into the active volcano at Mount Aetna.
The German writer Friedrich Hölderlin wrote two versions of Der Tod des Empedokles in 1798 and 1800, and a final third version in 1820, all three ultimately unfinished. They were conceived as five-act tragedies and all three differ in plot. According to Michael Hamburger, Hölderlin’s English-language translator,
the main reason why Hölderlin finished no version of the play must be that he remained too closely identified with Empedocles, at the very period in his life when his own view of the poet as philosopher, prophet and priest – and as tragic hero – was subject to perpetual crisis and re-examination.
Huillet-Straub’s The Death of Empedocles is based on Hölderlin’s first version (the longest of the three), whereas Black Sin is based on the third version.
好莱坞的编剧模版真不错：传统家庭，青春期叛逆，隐瞒，事情败露，冲突，和解，大团圆。换点元素，加点可爱动物缓解一下火药味，套一套模版就又是一部新片了。哦，对了还要突出一下“多元化”美利坚主旋律，这个倒是不难解决。对于皮克斯这种以创意闻名的品牌属实不得劲。我怀疑被迪士尼夺舍了。小熊猫还是挺好rua的。
她曾试着撕裂自己 j'ai tué ma mère - j'ai réveillé ma mère!（以及那啥 演唱会那段偶像做法的核级reprise我可能就倒回去看了一百遍左右吧 只要开口唱那舞就必须得配上 敬业男团101了 为什么finneas最后不当主唱而让给jordan？答：因为要飙高音）
PS.我也想抱抱红色熊猫
旁观者清的外国人是看的更透彻一点
妈妈熊好大啊哈哈哈哈哈，阿姨熊和外婆熊怎么也那么小哈哈哈哈哈，结尾太神了
可爱疗愈，简直想给女主角一个抱抱。妈妈的设置在东亚文化里就更有代表性了，对孩子自私而无私，期望甚高又只希望她平凡。女性间的相互懂得，接受成长的独特，拥抱自己，给互相空间，拥抱上一辈的隔阂，情节是老套的但都圆得很好
也太好看了吧！grandma aunts一起变身的时候一个爆哭！呜呜呜呜
别人都把我们的文化看透彻了，一些老古董还在装糊涂。
Turning red 不仅象征着人成长历程中在青春期必定要经历的变化，也象征着人在成长过程中所培养的自己的个性，个性过于张扬往往会惹来是非，能够让自己的个性成为自己的一技之长或为人之道那才是应该所追求的。如果为了达到所谓传统意义上的“平衡”或“安逸”，一味地否认个性而泯灭个性，只为使之同化，这才是一代人的悲哀。妈妈就是过于张扬的个性会带来危害，外婆和姨妈们就是被泯灭掉的个性，还好Mei和Sun Yee一样，没有选择同化自己，能够在这个多彩的世界里坚持做自己。
整部片子在妈妈变大之前都有点无聊，把青春期幻化成怪兽其实很有意思，但是呈现得太表面了：美美在妈妈面前装的很辛苦这个点应该再多给一些，游戏时间可以短一些，低谷太短。虽说妈妈变大之后节奏稍微好起来了，但可惜母女和解还是写得很平。其实都可以更好。#但还是希望可以在电影院看唉
套路的母女矛盾，对亚裔家庭的欧美式刻板想象，多伦多符号输出，看完这个再回想瞬息全宇宙，至少人家的设定够牛
奇怪的片子，大部分时间觉得很无聊，可眼泪还是照流。
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成长的叛逆，终会和解的，华人形象难得的高光。
关于自我和解与不接受原生家庭的荼毒的部分还可以 但是所有关于中式家庭中的教育理念意识形态都让人不爽 约等于黑人笑话一般吧 女性定位到作为代代相传的加害人的身份也让人非常不爽 男性在家庭教育中的缺位与莫名变为慈善的代表是怎么回事？仪式封印魔神的部分也非常中式恐怖片 试问哪个少女看到大红灯笼满屏红光、堪比驱鬼的咒语、画阵封印这些还能觉得青春期的懵懂、情感身体不适会勇敢迎接成长？？？
接受比抗拒更加需要勇气。Abby太太太太太可爱了吧！！！！！！！！
若非套着一个变身可爱红熊猫的设定，这种stressful中式亲子关系还真是看了就让人头大。多说一嘴，这个4 town偶像组合的music真的很千禧年，我的唯一泪点竟然是最后他们站上废墟开始唱歌帮忙打开portal那里。"Oh I've never met nobody like you"…
只要咱们避而不谈的时间足够久，能等来皮克斯替咱拍出“红水”猛兽。
Deal with it.
最开始那个家庭关系我就崩溃了！虽然我知道最后一定会反转，但是仍然太不适了…
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